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1 00:00:20,630 --> 00:00:22,310 I want to ask you just a little bit briefly. 2 00:00:22,310 --> 00:00:27,290 I know you've probably touched on this topic literally thousands of times in 3 00:00:27,290 --> 00:00:31,910 your life. Um, but it continues to get brought up in Kristen DM. 4 00:00:32,150 --> 00:00:34,040 And, uh, and in my ministry, Leer Más5 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:38,810 I get asked all the time about the book of Enoch. So, uh, 6 00:00:38,810 --> 00:00:41,180 we're not going to stay on it too long just because I know it can be weary 7 00:00:41,180 --> 00:00:43,670 entire summer, but it's good stuff. 8 00:00:45,350 --> 00:00:49,610 It's kind of what you get paid for. So, yeah. So, um, 9 00:00:50,330 --> 00:00:53,000 what is the book of you? Not just in a general sense for those who, 10 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:54,380 who might not know what it is. 11 00:00:54,770 --> 00:00:58,250 The book of Enoch is a second temple composition, 12 00:00:58,250 --> 00:01:00,230 second temple literary work. 13 00:01:00,770 --> 00:01:04,670 Second temple period again in round numbers is roughly, you know, 14 00:01:04,700 --> 00:01:07,430 500 BC into the first century. 15 00:01:07,430 --> 00:01:11,720 70 80 is the technical line because the second tumble gets destroyed in 70, 80, 16 00:01:11,730 --> 00:01:14,900 but 500 BC to get around it to a hundred. 17 00:01:15,230 --> 00:01:19,820 Uh Ady and there are lots of Jewish thinkers, you know, writing, uh, 18 00:01:19,850 --> 00:01:22,460 books during this period it's between the testaments. 19 00:01:22,500 --> 00:01:24,980 That's why it's also called the intertestamental period. 20 00:01:25,820 --> 00:01:27,350 And the book of Enoch is one of those, 21 00:01:27,350 --> 00:01:30,590 the oldest material we have for it comes from the dead sea scrolls. 22 00:01:30,590 --> 00:01:34,010 There are fragments of it in Aramaic there, uh, 23 00:01:34,130 --> 00:01:37,430 there's whole sections of it in Greek that come from the same period, 24 00:01:37,430 --> 00:01:41,360 the Hellenistic period in secular terms. But the second temple period, 25 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:46,300 when it comes to Jewish history and Enoch scholars referred 26 00:01:46,300 --> 00:01:49,100 to it as first Enoch, there are actually three books of Enoch, 27 00:01:49,130 --> 00:01:53,960 but the book of Enoch as we popularly discuss it is actually first ENR. 28 00:01:54,830 --> 00:01:58,490 And it is in part a sort of 29 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:04,400 retelling or elaboration is probably a better way to put it of the Genesis 30 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:09,020 six story. Uh, really chapters six through 16 is, uh, 31 00:02:09,290 --> 00:02:12,800 you know, an expansion of what happens in the first four verses a Genesis six. 32 00:02:13,700 --> 00:02:17,270 There are lots of sections of the book of Enoch scholars. 33 00:02:17,270 --> 00:02:19,940 Think they were different compositions that eventually wound up in, 34 00:02:19,940 --> 00:02:22,790 into the one book there's, they're astronomical sections, you know, 35 00:02:22,790 --> 00:02:27,110 doing astronomical astrological stuff. There's, you know, 36 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,640 eschatological material, apocalyptic material under the world kind of material, 37 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:33,230 the history going in cycles, you know, 38 00:02:33,230 --> 00:02:35,360 stuff like the book of revelation and Daniel. 39 00:02:35,780 --> 00:02:38,060 So it's all those things kind of rolled together, but it's, 40 00:02:38,100 --> 00:02:40,790 it's kinda mostly known for the Genesis six stuff. 41 00:02:41,300 --> 00:02:42,133 Okay. 42 00:02:42,140 --> 00:02:46,940 The Bible talks about a Nephilim and it seems like, uh, 43 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,820 well, the book of your knock would be referring to that segment of time 44 00:02:49,820 --> 00:02:53,570 chronologically. Um, what do you believe, 45 00:02:53,690 --> 00:02:55,010 or who do you believe in Nephilim? 46 00:02:55,010 --> 00:02:59,500 Where are you willing to be as bold as to just straight up say they're just the 47 00:02:59,500 --> 00:03:02,020 hybrid race. It's just the hybrid race. 48 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:06,750 Th they're just, just a hybrid. No, I, I think as I, 49 00:03:06,990 --> 00:03:08,550 I wrote about this an unseen realm, 50 00:03:08,550 --> 00:03:11,220 I've got like five chapters in that book on the, 51 00:03:11,220 --> 00:03:16,110 on the whole Nephilim giant clans question. Yeah, I do. 52 00:03:16,170 --> 00:03:19,530 I think there are two ways, you know, to parse what happens in Genesis six, 53 00:03:19,530 --> 00:03:20,363 one through four, 54 00:03:20,370 --> 00:03:24,540 neither of them have anything to do with what we would call as the Seth EIT view 55 00:03:25,170 --> 00:03:27,690 that there's nothing supernatural going on here. 56 00:03:27,690 --> 00:03:31,020 There's nothing divine or quasi divine going on here. These are just, you know, 57 00:03:31,050 --> 00:03:34,230 people, sons of God are just one line of people, 58 00:03:34,230 --> 00:03:37,380 daughters of men or another line of people. I don't believe that at all. 59 00:03:37,410 --> 00:03:39,630 I don't think there's any textual basis for both, 60 00:03:39,810 --> 00:03:44,790 either within scripture or certainly externally to it. So that means, you know, 61 00:03:44,790 --> 00:03:45,900 my view would be that there's, 62 00:03:45,930 --> 00:03:49,320 there's some sort of supernatural transgression going on here. 63 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:53,440 The sons of God are divine beings. They transgress, you know, the, 64 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,730 the boundary of having an earth that God has instituted. 65 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,820 And the results of that are, are the Nephilim. Uh, 66 00:03:59,850 --> 00:04:03,090 I do not think that the term comes from [inaudible], 67 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,580 which means to fall and for the technical reasons, you know, 68 00:04:05,580 --> 00:04:07,050 you can read on unseen realm for that, 69 00:04:07,650 --> 00:04:12,510 but there's certainly a hostile here. There's, there's certainly a, you know, 70 00:04:12,540 --> 00:04:16,110 evil and sinister, you know, so you either you have two options, 71 00:04:16,140 --> 00:04:17,490 either what's being described, 72 00:04:17,490 --> 00:04:20,400 there is this literal cohabitation and there you get your, you know, 73 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:24,180 your hybrid race, you know, idea again, 74 00:04:24,180 --> 00:04:26,400 that it's kind of clunky terminology, 75 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,070 but we'll just go with it for the sake of the interview. 76 00:04:29,790 --> 00:04:33,030 The other way to look at it is that the language of Genesis six, 77 00:04:33,030 --> 00:04:36,510 one through four, instead of being literal sexual cohabitation, 78 00:04:36,510 --> 00:04:38,850 it refers to rival. 79 00:04:38,850 --> 00:04:41,970 God's raising up their own people, 80 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,990 their own people groups kind of like God did with Abraham and Sarah. 81 00:04:45,990 --> 00:04:47,730 There's no sexual language there, 82 00:04:48,090 --> 00:04:50,790 but God did something to enable her to conceive. 83 00:04:50,790 --> 00:04:52,290 And then Israel was born out of that. 84 00:04:52,290 --> 00:04:55,890 So some would say that that's the way we should look at Genesis six, 85 00:04:55,890 --> 00:04:58,500 one through four. And the Nephilim, you know, are, 86 00:04:58,710 --> 00:05:03,270 are human because in scripture they actually are called a Dom in one 87 00:05:03,270 --> 00:05:06,600 place. And the other word is, um, what, um, is people, 88 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,380 Adom is like humanity. So there's some form of humanity. I mean, 89 00:05:10,410 --> 00:05:14,610 either of you can, can still refer to them that way. Uh, one is again, 90 00:05:14,610 --> 00:05:19,190 this literalized hybrid idea and the other is, you know, something that is, 91 00:05:19,190 --> 00:05:24,090 is human, but perceived as being spawn of some rival gods. 92 00:05:24,150 --> 00:05:28,860 Right. You know, so again, the analogy for the second view is Abraham and Sarah, 93 00:05:28,980 --> 00:05:33,000 you know, they're without any, any true, like sexual cohabitation, 94 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,750 both of those views are on the table for me. Um, 95 00:05:37,170 --> 00:05:41,880 since I'm not the way I like to say it to people is since I'm not a deity, 96 00:05:42,690 --> 00:05:47,670 I can't really speak with authority on what DVDs can or cannot do. Uh, 97 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,090 I think scripture does present divine beings. Okay. 98 00:05:51,090 --> 00:05:55,770 Supernatural beings like angels, uh, with full, you know, fleshly capability, 99 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,420 right. They can eat, but they have to, but yes, they can, you know, 100 00:05:59,750 --> 00:06:02,440 we have incidents where they grab people or wrestle with Jacob. I mean, they, 101 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,300 they have, they have physical faculties, they can assume flesh. 102 00:06:05,300 --> 00:06:09,110 And in our Christian angel ology, we tend to say things like, 103 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,830 well only God can sort of materialize flesh. 104 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,730 And I, and I understand the reason we say that because there's, 105 00:06:16,790 --> 00:06:18,140 there's one creator, 106 00:06:18,860 --> 00:06:22,910 but is that really on the same level as like the creation of the heavens and the 107 00:06:22,910 --> 00:06:23,390 earth and B, 108 00:06:23,390 --> 00:06:27,800 why there is no verse that says that some of their divine being can't do that, 109 00:06:27,890 --> 00:06:31,070 right. Can't be, you know, transformative, you know, 110 00:06:31,070 --> 00:06:34,010 and I'm using that word deliberately because of the way Satan has talked about 111 00:06:34,100 --> 00:06:37,790 transformed into an angel of light, uh, and even, even, you know, 112 00:06:37,790 --> 00:06:41,120 physically present and corporeal, you know, there, there there's no, 113 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:45,410 there's no scriptural reason to say that that can't be on the table. So, 114 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,700 because I can't speak with authority about how this works, 115 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,490 uh, you know, to me, it's on the table, 116 00:06:52,610 --> 00:06:55,550 it's as viable as the other view in my mind. Okay. 117 00:06:56,020 --> 00:06:56,860 What are your, 118 00:06:57,130 --> 00:07:01,660 what would your conclusion be then on the historical reliability of the book of 119 00:07:01,660 --> 00:07:06,430 Enoch, do you believe this is something that, um, reading, uh, 120 00:07:06,460 --> 00:07:10,240 the events outlined in New York and, you know, descriptions of what happened? 121 00:07:10,570 --> 00:07:15,370 Do you think it gives us a relatively reliable historical account 122 00:07:15,730 --> 00:07:20,320 of what actually took place in Genesis six? Or do you think it's maybe, um, 123 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,350 you know, Jewish mythology blended in with that? Okay. 124 00:07:23,380 --> 00:07:25,060 I, I th I think, you know, the, the, 125 00:07:25,060 --> 00:07:27,490 the backdrop to all of this of course is the, 126 00:07:27,490 --> 00:07:32,020 the Mesopotamian [inaudible] story, which a lot of people aren't aware of, 127 00:07:32,050 --> 00:07:34,390 if they've read on scene realm, they're aware of it because I, 128 00:07:34,450 --> 00:07:38,470 I deal with it there. Um, and since they're, 129 00:07:38,500 --> 00:07:41,410 since both the, those, you know, 130 00:07:41,410 --> 00:07:46,300 the first four really I'll say the first five verses in Genesis six are 131 00:07:46,750 --> 00:07:49,390 a polemic, you know, against, uh, 132 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,140 a point of Mesopotamian religion, you know, 133 00:07:52,140 --> 00:07:55,990 the way they view the world and Enoch is as well. 134 00:07:56,050 --> 00:07:58,060 But he knock is much more expansive in that, 135 00:07:58,510 --> 00:08:01,150 in regards to things like that, 136 00:08:02,140 --> 00:08:05,740 getting the black hats and the white hats, you know, correct. You know, 137 00:08:05,740 --> 00:08:09,610 presenting this as a, as a transgression, this is not something good. 138 00:08:09,610 --> 00:08:13,720 It's something sinister and evil portraying it as something that, you know, 139 00:08:14,050 --> 00:08:17,860 did occur again. However, we, we parse it however we understand it, but it, it, 140 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,310 it did occur. There are supernatural beings. They can interact with humans, 141 00:08:21,310 --> 00:08:24,550 that kind of thing. You know, I think, I think he knocks fine. 142 00:08:24,590 --> 00:08:28,150 I questioned it in certain details. Right. Um, you know, 143 00:08:28,150 --> 00:08:30,820 like the height of the giants and then all that kind of stuff, you know, 144 00:08:30,820 --> 00:08:33,200 300 feet tall, I think that's, you know, it's, 145 00:08:33,270 --> 00:08:36,910 it's kind of an obvious absurdity, especially if you take the literal, you know, 146 00:08:36,910 --> 00:08:40,000 cohabitation view that that's just not working. Uh, 147 00:08:40,030 --> 00:08:42,760 if you want to go to the mythic view there, okay. Then I guess you can, 148 00:08:42,820 --> 00:08:46,450 you can live with that. But, um, there, there are things like that, 149 00:08:46,510 --> 00:08:50,140 that they don't really conform to, um, 150 00:08:50,410 --> 00:08:54,940 the kind of situation that you could, that a genuine, 151 00:08:55,210 --> 00:08:59,100 that could genuinely happen and, and have sort of a human, you know, 152 00:08:59,100 --> 00:09:02,100 be part of that story in, in any sort of real sense, you know, 153 00:09:02,100 --> 00:09:05,010 a sense that would be connected to any kind of, you know, real time event. 154 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,940 So there are outliers like that. Uh [inaudible] I, I don't, 155 00:09:09,090 --> 00:09:12,030 I don't consider you knock inspired. Um, 156 00:09:12,210 --> 00:09:16,320 I think we make a mistake when we think that, um, for a book to be useful, 157 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,910 it has to be inspired with people, what people don't realize, you know, 158 00:09:20,910 --> 00:09:25,530 they'll latch onto Enoch second, Peter two and Jude, you know, well, you know, 159 00:09:25,530 --> 00:09:29,970 you Knox mentioned there actually, you know, shows up in a lot more places. Uh, 160 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,670 that's why I wrote reversing hermana. 161 00:09:31,670 --> 00:09:35,580 It bleeds into a lot of things in the new Testament, but so does the bail cycle. 162 00:09:36,300 --> 00:09:41,170 So does the wisdom of a minim obey in Proverbs? You know, so does, you know, 163 00:09:42,060 --> 00:09:43,440 th the cure to Epic? I mean, 164 00:09:43,450 --> 00:09:46,530 there's all sorts of things that biblical writers will quote, 165 00:09:47,010 --> 00:09:49,290 they will use to construct a story. 166 00:09:49,890 --> 00:09:54,270 And the reason they do these things is they assume their readers will know what 167 00:09:54,270 --> 00:09:57,930 they're doing. There'll be, there'll be picking up what they're laying down, 168 00:09:57,930 --> 00:10:01,020 because they're familiar with the literature. You know, 169 00:10:01,020 --> 00:10:02,490 we don't walk around and say, well, 170 00:10:02,490 --> 00:10:05,460 I guess the bail cycle should be part of the Bible now, I guess, you know, 171 00:10:05,530 --> 00:10:08,340 we don't do that, but it's the people who are, 172 00:10:08,820 --> 00:10:11,490 are doing that with Enoch. Generally, 173 00:10:11,490 --> 00:10:16,050 aren't aware that this other stuff, you know, 174 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,500 works its way into scripture. Right. So they they're, they're, 175 00:10:19,500 --> 00:10:23,100 they're missing a significant part of the discussion. Right. Uh, 176 00:10:23,100 --> 00:10:25,110 when they go off on this trajectory. Right. 177 00:10:25,700 --> 00:10:30,050 Okay. So you basically, um, answered it. 178 00:10:30,110 --> 00:10:33,230 How odd a Christian view, the book of Enoch, 179 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,570 just as kind of a useful history or useful. 180 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:40,130 I think we, I think we should read all the stuff that biblical writers read, 181 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:45,860 you know, drum roll. Okay. Biblical writers, read books. Okay. 182 00:10:45,860 --> 00:10:49,550 What a profound thought. They actually read books. Right. 183 00:10:50,330 --> 00:10:54,200 And they read books that in one way or another, 184 00:10:54,260 --> 00:10:56,210 help them to make a point, 185 00:10:56,810 --> 00:10:59,990 help them to frame some thing they wanted to say. 186 00:11:00,680 --> 00:11:03,200 So if we read that material, we will just, 187 00:11:03,740 --> 00:11:08,180 by definition become more intelligent readers of scripture. Right. 188 00:11:08,450 --> 00:11:11,420 So, I mean, for that reason alone, 189 00:11:11,900 --> 00:11:14,330 we ought to spend time with the material, just, 190 00:11:14,330 --> 00:11:19,310 just so that we can just become a close reader of the tax team it's to 191 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,100 the best of our ability right now, beyond that, you know, 192 00:11:22,140 --> 00:11:24,680 if you drill down into second temple literature, 193 00:11:24,680 --> 00:11:29,660 like Enoch and become really familiar with it, you'll know why, 194 00:11:29,930 --> 00:11:30,980 in many cases, 195 00:11:30,980 --> 00:11:34,310 why a biblical writer found this or that thought important and how it, 196 00:11:34,910 --> 00:11:36,860 it contributes to, um, 197 00:11:37,190 --> 00:11:41,120 it gives it explanatory power to it, to a certain passage, 198 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,360 you'll be able to sort of read, you know, material through that, 199 00:11:44,420 --> 00:11:47,390 through the eyes of the original writer and his original readers. 200 00:11:47,650 --> 00:11:52,520 Right. So Paul and Jesus and James they're walking around, 201 00:11:52,550 --> 00:11:56,440 they were literate. They read books, they read books. It's just shocking. 202 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,410 I know. But yeah, they did more than like watch YouTube videos 203 00:12:01,190 --> 00:12:02,560 look up memes on Instagram. 204 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:07,120 More than contemplate their navels, you know, or, or, or just do, you know, 205 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,110 their, whatever their, their job was. Right. You know, they, 206 00:12:10,500 --> 00:12:14,100 they were partakers of their own culture. You know, they, they read material, 207 00:12:14,100 --> 00:12:18,900 they thought about what they were reading. And again, in the Providence of God, 208 00:12:18,900 --> 00:12:23,460 you know, God makes use of the stuff that, you know, we take in, uh, 209 00:12:23,460 --> 00:12:26,220 and they took in and it, it, it helps them, you know, to, 210 00:12:26,460 --> 00:12:28,200 to write whatever it was, they're going to write, you know, 211 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:29,640 whatever God prepared, uh, 212 00:12:29,670 --> 00:12:34,380 for them to produce those things just become a part of what's in the tank, 213 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:35,490 so to speak. 214 00:12:35,490 --> 00:12:38,490 Right. So how might understanding, um, 215 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,810 the content of the book of Enoch and the supernatural, uh, 216 00:12:43,290 --> 00:12:47,640 interpretation of Genesis six, if we're going to go with that, how might, um, 217 00:12:48,510 --> 00:12:53,040 these historical understandings help, uh, 218 00:12:53,100 --> 00:12:57,480 enrich and give deeper context and meanings to the gospel, 219 00:12:57,900 --> 00:13:01,350 to the function of the cross and to the purpose of Jesus being sent to her? 220 00:13:02,070 --> 00:13:02,940 Yeah, I think, 221 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:07,890 I think we really miss out on the multifaceted mission of Jesus. 222 00:13:08,730 --> 00:13:13,470 If we have the cross event only be about fixing the problem of 223 00:13:13,470 --> 00:13:17,390 Genesis three. Uh, I've said this many times, if, 224 00:13:17,390 --> 00:13:20,410 if you ask the average Christian, why is the world the way it is, you know, 225 00:13:20,410 --> 00:13:22,410 in need a redemption, they'd say, well, it's the fall. 226 00:13:23,190 --> 00:13:25,740 If you ask the average Israelite or the average secretarial Jew, 227 00:13:25,740 --> 00:13:27,720 that's not the answer you would get, you would say, well, 228 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,140 there's actually three reasons why the world is just so, you know, awful. 229 00:13:31,620 --> 00:13:36,000 It's Genesis three, it's just a six. And it's what happens at Babel. So, 230 00:13:36,090 --> 00:13:40,470 you know, you, if you take that worldview and again, that's easily demonstrable. 231 00:13:40,530 --> 00:13:43,800 If you study second temple literature, that's just like a no brainer. 232 00:13:44,250 --> 00:13:45,720 If that's your view, 233 00:13:45,780 --> 00:13:50,280 then the Messiah very naturally has come to fix all of that. 234 00:13:50,790 --> 00:13:55,380 Not just the one thing, but all of it. And the Messiah is there for not, 235 00:13:55,440 --> 00:14:00,030 you know, naturally opposed in all of those trajectories, 236 00:14:00,030 --> 00:14:03,300 all the things that he's supposed to do. It, it, it really, 237 00:14:03,380 --> 00:14:08,070 you kind of miss out on some formative passages and formative events 238 00:14:08,430 --> 00:14:13,200 in primeval history that set the stage for what we like to call spiritual 239 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,110 warfare. Um, you, 240 00:14:15,110 --> 00:14:18,660 you lose a lot of context for that and spiritual warfare. 241 00:14:18,660 --> 00:14:21,390 Isn't just this thing that happens detached from humanity. 242 00:14:21,390 --> 00:14:25,950 It's actually intrinsically intertwined with humanity because you're talking 243 00:14:25,950 --> 00:14:30,690 about the Messiah needs to fix the problem of death and estrangement from God 244 00:14:30,690 --> 00:14:35,040 that's Genesis three, the Messiah needs to do something about depravity. Well, 245 00:14:35,340 --> 00:14:36,810 he came and he died and he Rose again, 246 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:41,670 he ascended to the father and then he sends the spirit to indwell, to combat, 247 00:14:41,730 --> 00:14:45,300 you know, depravity. And what about the reclaiming of the nations? Well, 248 00:14:45,300 --> 00:14:48,240 that's what the great commission is about to see the Jew first and also to the 249 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,730 genitalia, all this stuff that I talk about at length unseen realm, it, 250 00:14:52,820 --> 00:14:53,890 you lose a lot of the, 251 00:14:53,890 --> 00:14:58,880 the richness and the interconnectedness of ideas presented in scripture that 252 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,570 ultimately funnel back, not only to Jesus, but really, 253 00:15:03,590 --> 00:15:08,450 really the intersection of heaven and earth in fundamental ways 254 00:15:09,050 --> 00:15:12,170 that make us that really the centerpiece kind of, 255 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,590 kind of the reason for, you know, why, 256 00:15:16,550 --> 00:15:20,300 why God does what he does after the fall. He doesn't scrap the plan. 257 00:15:20,780 --> 00:15:22,760 He doesn't wipe out, wipe the table clean. 258 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,360 There is no plan B he's committed to plan a, 259 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,310 and that is to have a human family. 260 00:15:28,910 --> 00:15:32,720 And he is consistently opposed by not only people, 261 00:15:33,230 --> 00:15:37,790 but also supernatural beings that takes us back to the concept of imaging, 262 00:15:37,790 --> 00:15:41,600 which involves sharing attributes. The image is not about attributes, 263 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:46,100 but involves sharing attributes to carry out the representation of God on earth. 264 00:15:46,940 --> 00:15:47,773 You know, well, 265 00:15:48,290 --> 00:15:51,950 we have plural language for the image that involves God's heavenly family as 266 00:15:51,950 --> 00:15:56,790 well. So they, and we had God, you know, we're, 267 00:15:56,790 --> 00:16:01,370 we're related in some way. And, and that way is the sharing of God's attributes. 268 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,390 You know, God's creating us, gives them a status, gives us a status, 269 00:16:05,390 --> 00:16:07,040 gives us the tools to perform, you know, 270 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:11,030 participate in the governance of the spirit world and their case earthly world 271 00:16:11,030 --> 00:16:15,260 in our case. But that means that they can rebel. 272 00:16:15,830 --> 00:16:20,180 I mean, th this what you do actually matters, okay. 273 00:16:20,180 --> 00:16:23,810 What they, they can cause problems. And they do, 274 00:16:24,860 --> 00:16:28,040 um, they, they consistently, you know, 275 00:16:28,050 --> 00:16:33,020 oppose what God wants to do. It's not just that we're messed up. 276 00:16:33,020 --> 00:16:36,050 And we are it's that there's, there's just moment by moment, day by day, 277 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:40,010 you know, supernatural opposition to this, right? All of this is part of, again, 278 00:16:40,370 --> 00:16:43,180 you know, the subtitle of unseen realm, recovering the supernatural world, 279 00:16:43,290 --> 00:16:47,510 the Bible, right? This was like theology one Oh one to an ancient person, right. 280 00:16:47,690 --> 00:16:50,720 This interconnectivity, both in the good side and the bad side. 281 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,450 So if you want to strip out Genesis sex, right. 282 00:16:53,930 --> 00:16:57,980 And few people ever even have ever heard of Deuteronomy 32, eight, nine, 283 00:16:57,980 --> 00:16:59,770 when it comes to Babel, you wanna, you want, you're, 284 00:16:59,770 --> 00:17:03,590 you're missing two thirds of the structuring, you know, 285 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,690 to the whole context, you know, 286 00:17:05,690 --> 00:17:09,350 for what Paul talks about with principalities and powers and whatnot. 287 00:17:09,950 --> 00:17:11,570 So I think it's pretty important. Again, 288 00:17:11,570 --> 00:17:14,810 you can still get the gospel with all that, right. You know, 289 00:17:15,260 --> 00:17:16,820 but if you want to, 290 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,630 if you want to feel and not just feel, 291 00:17:20,630 --> 00:17:24,710 but if you want to really move toward having a good grasp of the meta-narrative 292 00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:27,230 of scripture, you've got to have that stuff in it, 293 00:17:27,470 --> 00:17:31,790 or you just won't be able to do it. Okay. I need to read that.
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